[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[jcdenton08]

Hmmm yes that’s just standard spinning of statistics though, literally everyone does it when in government or when defending “unflattering” numbers. I agree it’s shit but it’s far from the worst thing this government has done. Labour have and will do exactly the same when there’s difficult numbers to defend.

 

[Bodian]

They really do take us for f***ing idiots..

“Sunak has made reducing the national debt one of his five priorities, and in a video posted on X after the autumn statement he said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.

Sarah Olney, the Lib Dem’s Treasury spokesperson, wrote to the UK Statistics Authority to ask if there was any justification for what Sunak was saying and today, in a response, the authority’s chair, Sir Robert Chote, said Sunak’s words were misleading.

Chote said No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. Chote explained:

In this instance, the prime minister’s office informed us that both claims referred to the fact that the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) was forecasting that the underlying measure of net debt (excluding the Bank) would be falling as a proportion of GDP (although not in cash terms) in the final year of its five year forecast, in line with the government’s target …
The average person in the street would probably not have interpreted the prime minister’s claims in the way that his office explained them to us and would likely have assumed that he was claiming that debt was already falling or that the government’s policy decisions had lowered it at the fiscal events – neither of which is the case. This has clearly been a source of confusion and may have undermined trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis in this area.
Members of the public cannot be expected to understand the minutiae of public finance statistics and the precise combination of definitional choices that might need to be made for a particular claim to be true. So, when speaking about the public finances and making claims of this sort, intelligent transparency demands that ministers, other senior politicians, departments and political parties ask themselves how someone with an interest but little specialist knowledge is likely to interpret a particular claim and to explain themselves clearly if they choose to depart significantly from that in definitional terms. When a claim is made in abbreviated form, they should certainly be ready to explain the precise basis for their claim when approached and asked to do so after the event”.

Isn't deliberately misleading Parliament a breach of the ministerial code. Or did Johnson get rid of that?

 

[The Clamp]

Hmmm yes that’s just standard spinning of statistics though, literally everyone does it when in government or when defending “unflattering” numbers. I agree it’s shit but it’s far from the worst thing this government has done. Labour have and will do exactly the same when there’s difficult numbers to defend.

I disagree. He’s out and out lying.

 

[pb21]

This has clearly been a source of confusion and may have undermined trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis in this area.

How can my trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis be undermined any further when it's currently non existant?

 

[Eric the meek]

Hmmm yes that’s just standard spinning of statistics though, literally everyone does it when in government or when defending “unflattering” numbers. I agree it’s shit but it’s far from the worst thing this government has done. Labour have and will do exactly the same when there’s difficult numbers to defend.

Labour haven't been in power for thirteen years. To say they will do the same thing when they return to power, is a little unfair. Let's give them a chance first.

Back to Sunak, and another thing that troubles me, is his trumpeting of the number of boats being down by a third. Surely that means that his flagship policy of 'Stop the boats' is failing, as two thirds of them are still getting through?

 

[Machiavelli]

Agree with the last few posts. Sunk has been done for his use of incorrect stats in parliament. That's the difference here. The highly selective use of stats is de rigeur however. The most underinterrogated of which in the past 13 years has been 'record spending on NHS' and 'pay rises'.

 

[vegster]

Labour haven't been in power for thirteen years. To say they will do the same thing when they return to power, is a little unfair. Let's give them a chance first.

Back to Sunak, and another thing that troubles me, is his trumpeting of the number of boats being down by a third. Surely that means that his flagship policy of 'Stop the boats' is failing, as two thirds of them are still getting through?

" Stopping The Boats " is hugely dependant on the weather in The Channel.. It is suicide to attempt a crossing during the frequent winter storms and high seas... should there be a 7-10 day period of High pressure the numbers will rocket again. Rishi can't claim any personal credit for a reduction in numbers unless he opens legal routes for asylum seekers, and his party won't allow that to happen.

 

[TomandJerry]

Post-Brexit restrictions on the free movement of workers from the EU have contributed to modern slavery becoming “a feature” of the care sector in England the Care Quality Commission has told MPs.

James Bullion, chief inspector of adult social care and integrated care at the watchdog, told the Commons health and social care select committee that the end of free movement of workers significantly increased the possibilities of exploitation, which have included cases of care workers not being paid for months and dozens being squeezed into overcrowded lodgings. Cases of modern slavery are on track to have increased tenfold in the last three years he said."

 

[Cordwainer]

Bloody immigrants coming here and making interesting fossils.

Stop the bones!

DNA sleuths crack 2,000 year-old migrant mystery

Research on a skeleton dug up during roadworks have shed light on the history of Roman Britain.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Clamp]

From the Guardian today.

“Liam Byrne, the Labour MP who chairs the Commons business committee, asked the prime minister if he ever lay awake at night “worrying about the level of economic inequality in our country”.

“No,” Sunak replied”

 

[Stat Brother]

From the Guardian today.

“Liam Byrne, the Labour MP who chairs the Commons business committee, asked the prime minister if he ever lay awake at night “worrying about the level of economic inequality in our country”.

“No,” Sunak replied”, from his £20,000,000 Santa Monica seafront, penthouse apartment.

...

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

From the Guardian today.

“Liam Byrne, the Labour MP who chairs the Commons business committee, asked the prime minister if he ever lay awake at night “worrying about the level of economic inequality in our country”.

“No,” Sunak replied”

I assume he spends his nights hanging from the rafters like a bat.
Trying to gain an extra couple of inches so the photos with all the other world leaders are less amusing.

 

[WATFORD zero]

JUST PROCESS THE F****** APPLICATIONS, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR HOTELS OR ALLOWANCES

And, of course we could have processed the whole backlog of Asylum applications (175,000) that have been built up over the last 10 years by this government, twice over and still had money to spare for the £240M we have given to Rwanda to do f*** all

HOW F***ING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO KEEP FALLING FOR THIS ?

(A simple thumbs up from the regular cabal supporter should be sufficient to confirm )

 

[A1X]

Voters in Wellingborough trigger byelection after suspension of Peter Bone

Labour given chance to win back seat after Tory MP found to have subjected staff member to bullying and sexual misconduct

www.theguardian.com

 

[Is it PotG?]

And, of course we could have processed the whole backlog of Asylum applications (175,000) that have been built up over the last 10 years by this government, twice over and still had money to spare for the £240M we have given to Rwanda to do f*** all

HOW F***ING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO KEEP FALLING FOR THIS ?

(A simple thumbs up from the regular cabal supporter should be sufficient to confirm )

I would give you a mate, but you'll edit it another 4 times and the context will be lost.

 

[Nobby]

Voters in Wellingborough trigger byelection after suspension of Peter Bone

Labour given chance to win back seat after Tory MP found to have subjected staff member to bullying and sexual misconduct

www.theguardian.com

Proud of my kids.

Made the effort to get out to only two places where you could cast your vote

But enough people did

Brilliant.

Another one bites the dust.

Staunch Tory seat - but so was Mad Nad’s.

 

[A1X]

Proud of my kids.

Made the effort to get out to only two places where you could cast your vote

But enough people did

Brilliant.

Another one bites the dust.

Staunch Tory seat - but so was Mad Nad’s.

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And, of course we could have processed the whole backlog of Asylum applications (175,000) that have been built up over the last 10 years by this government, twice over and still had money to spare for the £240M we have given to Rwanda to do f*** all

HOW F***ING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO KEEP FALLING FOR THIS ?

(A simple thumbs up from the regular cabal supporter should be sufficient to confirm )

The vast majority of airlines have said they will refuse to fly any asylum seeker to Rwanda.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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