[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Dick Swiveller]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

There is a war on don’t you know?

The “war on motorists”.

Rishi is going to help the nastiest, thickest c***s in our society drive at more than 20mph with gas guzzling non-ULEZ compliant cars in built up residential areas. This appears to be his flagship policy/gas lighting escapade. If these Tories don’t run your kids over, they’ll make them sick with respiratory diseases all the time reminding their most selfish supporters that JSO are the real enemy of the people.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

There is a war on don’t you know?

The “war on motorists”.

Rishi is going to help the nastiest, thickest c***s in our society drive at more than 20mph with gas guzzling non-ULEZ compliant cars in built up residential areas. This appears to be his flagship policy/gas lighting escapade. If these Tories don’t run your kids over, they’ll make them sick with respiratory diseases all the time reminding their most selfish supporters that JSO are the real enemy of the people.

Yes, the smoke and mirrors campaign is only just beginning - and a lot of the electorate will buy it. He's probably asked Kate and William if they could pop out another sprog so we can get the bunting out and forget about more pressing matters.

 

[Nobby]

Are there any other healthcare systems apart from the UK and the USA? It seems to be a general assumption that there are no alternatives to the NHS, the system that used to be called the "envy of the world", other than the US model. Surely other countries, perhaps those in the beloved EU, have healthcare systems that we could investigate?

Yes yes there are - but the NHS was sold to me as a free service, my whole life I always assumed that the NHS would look after me and my family. That’s what I paid taxes for
Are you saying you would move to the US model?
If ever one of my kids was Ill on holiday in Europe, the service we received was just amazing. Didn’t have to wait 24 hours in an overcrowded A and E
Your problem is that you’ve been levelled down so much you forgot what to expect from this wonderful country of ours.
Your wonderful Tories have done this to us
Or maybe Burnley is now a beautiful sunny utopia in the UK and you haven’t noticed what the rest of us have to put up with.

Sheesh. Honestly Das - think

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes yes there are - but the NHS was sold to me as a free service, my whole life I always assumed that the NHS would look after me and my family. That’s what I paid taxes for
Are you saying you would move to the US model?
If ever one of my kids was Ill on holiday in Europe, the service we received was just amazing. Didn’t have to wait 24 hours in an overcrowded A and E
Your problem is that you’ve been levelled down so much you forgot what to expect from this wonderful country of ours.
Your wonderful Tories have done this to us
Or maybe Burnley is now a beautiful sunny utopia in the UK and you haven’t noticed what the rest of us have to put up with.

Sheesh. Honestly Das - think

The unbelievably wealthy targeting the votes of the bigoted, naïve and poor. That'll never work ................. oh

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So essentially you want British people to pay millions of pounds to US Healthcare service for worse services. And that's your priority in life?

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

The reason the US healthcare is mentioned so often on this thread, is that there is plenty of evidence that it is exactly what the Conservatives are doing.
Health data has already been sold to insurance companies, current MPs are accepting donations from the same, and they were gutted Trump was defeated because it was in the trade deal with the USA.

The French have a good hybrid system where 70% is State paid but from first hand knowledge there is a chronic shortage of doctors and dentists, there too.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The reason the US healthcare is mentioned so often on this thread, is that there is plenty of evidence that it is exactly what the Conservatives are doing.
Health data has already been sold to insurance companies, current MPs are accepting donations from the same, and they were gutted Trump was defeated because it was in the trade deal with the USA.

The French have a good hybrid system where 70% is State paid but from first hand knowledge there is a chronic shortage of doctors and dentists, there too.

There isn't evidence they are doing it, im sure some would love to do it, but they won't because they know it will be suicide.

It's likely Labour will be in power next year, they have also called for reforms rather than more money

 

[keaton]

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

It's nothing to do with emotion it's to with what's been happening for the last ten years.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It's nothing to do with emotion it's to with what's been happening for the last ten years.

It's absolutely to do with emotion, we can't touch the NHS because it's "the best in the world" it's not, it's nowhere near the best and it's certainly nothing to be proud of, the service and not some of the staff of course.
Is there any other major nation that has the same sort of healthcare system?

Healthcare needs to be taken out of politics and looked after by an independent body.

 

[mikeyjh]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

It was quite remarkable - He's not going to 'speculate' on whether or not HS2 to Manchester will happen - It's not speculation if it's your decision you thick tw@t.

He also mentioned the 'uprising' in Wales over the default 20mph limit like it was the civil rights movement in 1960s US rather than what it actually is. A few morons who find driving so difficult that apparently none of their cars have a gear that allow them to drive at 20.

 

[keaton]

It's absolutely to do with emotion, we can't touch the NHS because it's "the best in the world" it's not, it's nowhere near the best and it's certainly nothing to be proud of, the service and not some of the staff of course.
Is there any other major nation that has the same sort of healthcare system?

Healthcare needs to be taken out of politics and looked after by an independent body.

On the last line we agree completely. On the rest I'm not sure I'm the one putting emotion in there

 

[Dick Swiveller]

It was quite remarkable - He's not going to 'speculate' on whether or not HS2 to Manchester will happen - It's not speculation if it's your decision you thick tw@t.

He also mentioned the 'uprising' in Wales over the default 20mph limit like it was the civil rights movement in 1960s US rather than what it actually is. A few morons who find driving so difficult that apparently none of their cars have a gear that allow them to drive at 20.

I think the question you should be asking is what people on the doorsteps are saying as I go around the country.

See, I can do it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There isn't evidence they are doing it, im sure some would love to do it, but they won't because they know it will be suicide.

It's likely Labour will be in power next year, they have also called for reforms rather than more money

There is evidence. You don’t want to believe it.
I could post half a dozen links

Tories raking in money from private health firms as NHS is on its knees

A number of high ranking and wealthy Conservative party members have links to private health care companies which, in turn, are profiting from the current NHS crisis

www.mirror.co.uk

The Conservative Party’s Private Healthcare Patrons – Byline Times

Sam Bright and Sian Norris explore the financial ties between Conservative MPs and private health companies

bylinetimes.com

 

[beorhthelm]

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

there isn't even a "US healthcare service", there are half a dozen or so programmes across national, state, employer, insurance schemes. it's a mess they wouldn't do if starting again, it's not a design. they have parts that look a lot like NHS with state based insurance, while others have no insurance or coverage at all. there's plenty of other models to look at to help modify our health system. people say healthcare is great in France, Germany or Sweden, then say we cant change ours because we'll go for a caricature US model. simply fear mongering that impedes change.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

there isn't even a "US healthcare service", there are half a dozen or so programmes across national, state, employer, insurance schemes. it's a mess they wouldn't do if starting again, it's not a design. they have parts that look a lot like NHS with state based insurance, while others have no insurance or coverage at all. there's plenty of other models to look at to help modify our health system. people say healthcare is great in France, Germany or Sweden, then say we cant change ours because we'll go for a caricature US model. simply fear mongering that impedes change.

Fear mongering? No.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

He's rather rubbish at not answering questions.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I could post half a dozen links

Tories raking in money from private health firms as NHS is on its knees

A number of high ranking and wealthy Conservative party members have links to private health care companies which, in turn, are profiting from the current NHS crisis

www.mirror.co.uk

The Conservative Party’s Private Healthcare Patrons – Byline Times

Sam Bright and Sian Norris explore the financial ties between Conservative MPs and private health companies

bylinetimes.com

That's not really evidence of the Tories want to turn the NHS into the US Healthcare service, they have had 13 years, if they wanted to do it they would have already have done it, how many years in charge do they need to do it?

The mirror one lists names and haven't listed anything they have done wrong, and it's been disclosed, I'd agree MPs shouldn't take money from any one other than the wage they get from the job being paid to lobby shouldn't be a thing.

As I said previously, I'm sure some would like to take it private and in line with the states, but it's not going to happen is it, it would lead to that party being blown away for years.

Pushing the idea of it's US or NHS is rubbish, and blocking any chance of change

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's not really evidence of the Tories want to turn the NHS into the US Healthcare service, they have had 13 years, if they wanted to do it they would have already have done it, how many years in charge do they need to do it?

The mirror one lists names and haven't listed anything they have done wrong, and it's been disclosed, I'd agree MPs shouldn't take money from any one other than the wage they get from the job being paid to lobby shouldn't be a thing.

As I said previously, I'm sure some would like to take it private and in line with the states, but it's not going to happen is it, it would lead to that party being blown away for years.

Pushing the idea of it's US or NHS is rubbish, and blocking any chance of change

The Conservatives change things one step at a time. It took from 1992, with the Eurosceptics to 2016 to enable Brexit, and another 4 years to leave. They work on propaganda knowing people would resist if they tried to change things too quickly.
It’s like being in an abusive relationship. Promise much, and gradually break every promise.

 

[Guinness Boy]

On Rwanda. Worth watching.