[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[BadFish]

So how far does this “everyone at the BBC must be impartial at all times about everything” argument go? Are they banned from voting in those people’s minds? Can they not express a preference for tea or coffee?

Anything so people can avoid discussing the actual opinion that they disagree with.

The triggered woke right are all in a tiz

 

[Machiavelli]

I couldn’t give a toss how much he earns, it makes absolutely no difference. The fact that he pissed of a small but gobby and easily offended part of the population is a bonus.
let’s face it he could work for free and you’d still whinge.

So, you're saying that:
-- there's not many of them (check out GBNews' ratings, or Reform in the polls)
-- they've got multiple platforms funded by off-shore oligarchs (engaging in faux-nationalism) from which they loud-hailer their vile bile
-- they're snowflakes

Sounds about right

 

[Rdodge30]

Hi, history MA with a specialism in Twentieth Century Europe here. Do you seriously think the Germans went from 0 to 100 overnight on this issue? Because if not, your post makes no sense. Literally nobody has claimed the Government is executing a holocaust. What they’re saying is the demonising and “othering” not just of refugees but of all sorts of targets has echoes of the early stages of the process that led to a very dark place.

Which it does. Take it from a historian.

But only relevant if the original statement (Lineker) intended to imply what then followed would follow now.

Poor choice of words from Lineker (nothing more) but deliberately used no doubt

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

But only relevant if the original statement (Lineker) intended to imply what then followed would follow now.

Poor choice of words from Lineker (nothing more) but deliberately used no doubt

i Understood what he was driving at and so do most others. He hit a nerve and that normally means that there is truth in what he says.

 

[Baldseagull]

But only relevant if the original statement (Lineker) intended to imply what then followed would follow now.

Poor choice of words from Lineker (nothing more) but deliberately used no doubt

If the UK bars a group of people from recourse to the law, as is proposed, that is a massive step in that direction.

 

[rogersix]

But only relevant if the original statement (Lineker) intended to imply what then followed would follow now.

Poor choice of words from Lineker (nothing more) but deliberately used no doubt

you mean bravaman? you've typed lineker

 

[A1X]

But only relevant if the original statement (Lineker) intended to imply what then followed would follow now.

Poor choice of words from Lineker (nothing more) but deliberately used no doubt

Not necessarily, you can point out that something resembles something else without saying the end result will be exactly the same. If someone matches Vicente’s run but rather than smashing it off the crossbar they stick it in the top corner are we not allowed to say it resembled Vicente’s run because the end result was different?

 

[Cotton Socks]

One of the questions on Jnr's Nazi Germany GCSE history revision the other day was to pick 3 points from a simplified version of Hitlers 25 point plan & give reasons why they would've been voted for & who would've voted for them. I found myself disturbed that I was able to make (in my view) to many direct comparisons to what is happening in politics now.

 

[Soton Seagull]

Lineker nonsense is classic gammon free speech anti cancel culture types wanting someone cancelled because he said something they didn't agree with.

No sense of irony required it seems.

 

[Hugo Rune]

One of the questions on Jnr's Nazi Germany GCSE history revision the other day was to pick 3 points from a simplified version of Hitlers 25 point plan & give reasons why they would've been voted for & who would've voted for them. I found myself disturbed that I was able to make (in my view) to many direct comparisons to what is happening in politics now.

Correct.

“Stop the boats” is not a world away from this:


8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm sure he'll be more than happy to give it all to the cause then.

I may not have mentioned it, but I'm in Austria for a week skiing with few mates and don't have a lot of free time, so try not to say anything too stupid and I'll be back in a few days to help out, before you get carried away and really embarrass yourself ................ oh

 

[Cotton Socks]

Correct.

“Stop the boats” is not a world away from this:


8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

Unfortunately that was my instant comparison. Can't say all of his manifesto was bad though, some ideas seemed great... increased pensions, jobs for all, protection for women & children. That's half the population voting for you, & you can see why.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The point of self employment is that is saves both employer and employee quite a lot of money, especially as regards National Insurance,. It may not be all Lineker's fault, because the BBC have a record of ordering their presenters to claim self-employment rather than employment, probably because it also saves them paying sick pay, holiday pay, statutory notice pay, etc. But Lineker must have concurred in this particular way of avoiding taxes, for whatever reason.

Being part-time doesn't stop you being self-employed. And having another career which is definitely self-employed doesn't necessarily mean that MotD won't be treated as employment. There are various "badges of employment", whereby (in very broadest outline) if the "employer" can tell you how to do the job and when you must do it, you're more likely to be in employment than if you can choose your own hours and do it how you want.

So. for example, if Lineker is given a script to repeat and has to present MotD every Saturday, he's more likely to be in employment than if he writes his own script and can take a week off if he wants. But it's far more complicated than that.

Plenty of BBC presenters have been pursued by HMRC about this issue, some successfully, others not. It's a very grey area.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Correct.

“Stop the boats” is not a world away from this:


8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

Why not go the whole hog and launch (pun intended) a campaign to keep the boats running?

One of the things that really needs looking at, but keeps being glossed over, is what is it about France that makes it such a hell-hole that people want to leave so badly?

 

[jcdenton08]

Come on. It’s hyperbolic and an exaggeration. An extreme soundbite makes much more sense for a Tweet than sensible, considered centrism - we’ve seen that here ourselves! He’s entitled to his opinion, whatever that may be as long as it doesn’t bring his role at the BBC into disrepute.

I shouldn’t have to explain this, but he doesn’t actually think Britain is like Nazi Germany. He’s making the point that policies on this issue are more extreme than he’d like them to be - with Godwin’s law always, ALWAYS being the final destination in such a comment.

Everyone is a “Nazi” if the average punter disagrees with them enough. Millions of people have been tarred with the Nazi brush as varied as Nigel Farage, JK Rowling, Mark Clattenburg, traffic wardens, the chief commissioning editor of the BBC, Jeremy Clarkson, your mum…

He’s entitled to his opinion but I’m staggered that people are taking it literally. If it were actually like Nazi Germany, he wouldn’t be openly tweeting things like that without the Gestapo arresting him. There wouldn’t be social media as we know it for one thing.

 

[Seagull27]

Why not go the whole hog and launch (pun intended) a campaign to keep the boats running?

One of the things that really needs looking at, but keeps being glossed over, is what is it about France that makes it such a hell-hole that people want to leave so badly?

Does France take fewer asylum seekers than the UK then? If so, I'm sure you'll be able to find a source that confirms.

Or is it possible that those asylum seekers always wanted to come to the UK because they have family here, or speak English over French, for example?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Does France take fewer asylum seekers than the UK then? If so, I'm sure you'll be able to find a source that confirms.

Or is it possible that those asylum seekers always wanted to come to the UK because they have family here, or speak English over French, for example?

Every chance they always wanted to come to the UK. But the reason they get on those pitiful boats in France is because they want to leave France and come to England.

 

[BadFish]

Every chance they always wanted to come to the UK. But the reason they get on those pitiful boats in France is because they want to leave France and come to England.

Desperate right. They must have some pretty good reasons to want to get to the UK and risk their lives like that, especially with the slow processing speeds at the other end.

France being a hell hole is probably not one the reasons of course, because it isn't.

What would posses people to make such a dangerous journey with such a hard government to greet them at the other end?

 

[Easy 10]

Desperate right. They must have some pretty good reasons to want to get to the UK and risk their lives like that, especially with the slow processing speeds at the other end.

France being a hell hole is probably not one the reasons of course, because it isn't.

What would posses people to make such a dangerous journey with such a hard government to greet them at the other end?

Hollyoaks ?

 

[BadFish]

Hollyoaks ?

Exactly where I was going with that . The French version is shit.