[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Randy McNob]

Even Starmer and the Unions can't blow this lead.

itĺl be a lab / lib / SNP coalition

 

[Is it PotG?]

itĺl be a lab / lib / SNP coalition

Just so long as Nicola has her say ...

 

[Randy McNob]

whats wrong these politicians?, they go into politics purely to stuff as much cash in their pockets until they get caught then treat everyone like idiots with their pathetic excuses. Is there a Tory politician who isn't either a tax dodger, seiall liar, sex offender or just a complete tmbecile? There used to be a time when politicians used to be trusted, upstanding people with morals and integrity who went into politics to improve our country and make a difference to peoples lives

 

[Randy McNob]

Just so long as Nicola has her say ...

they'll get their referendum then

 

[Is it PotG?]

There used to be a time when politicians used to be trusted, upstanding people with morals and integrity who went into politics to improve our country and make a difference to peoples lives

Which reminds me, anyone watched that splendid 'Stonehouse' TV prog?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Which reminds me, anyone watched that splendid 'Stonehouse' TV prog?

No, but I've been reading about the Wars of the Roses if we're going down the whataboutism line again

I do hope you're not relegated to the ironic thumbs up again

 

[clapham_gull]

itĺl be a lab / lib / SNP coalition

The polls (and if you add in the odd council election) would suggest otherwise.

It's stopped becoming about "politics" for a while and now is purely about behaviour in public office and nepotism.

There is very little to suggest at the moment that Labour won't get back in with a landslide as the electorate punishes the Conservative party as it did with Major.

The problem is still Johnson and the dark cloud he has left over the party. Anyone who followed his career as London Mayor could see how he constantly blurred the lines between the public and private, personal and professional relationships. Any rule was there to be broken.

He's also left a number of waring factions and it's difficult to work out who exactly is briefing against who.

As the other big party, Labour won't require a coalition and as bad for democracy as it is, I'm sure they have to lay out much of a plan to win.

 

[Is it PotG?]

No, but I've been reading about the Wars of the Roses if we're going down the whataboutism line again

I do hope you're not relegated to the ironic thumbs up again

I won't, only if you promise to leave out the late edits sweetheart.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I won't, only if you promise to leave out the late edits sweetheart.

I don't think a lot of people would believe the sense of entitlement that is at the heart of this cabal. I was ranting to a friend last week, who is far closer and more involved in this stuff, about the complete contempt and utter disdain that they have for the rest of Britain, outside of their own cabal and it's financial backers.

His reply ? If you think that's bad, you should hear the contempt and disdain they have for the rest of the conservative party and their voters

 

[Randy McNob]

The polls (and if you add in the odd council election) would suggest otherwise.

It's stopped becoming about "politics" for a while and now is purely about behaviour in public office and nepotism.

There is very little to suggest at the moment that Labour won't get back in with a landslide as the electorate punishes the Conservative party as it did with Major.

The problem is still Johnson and the dark cloud he has left over the party. Anyone who followed his career as London Mayor could see how he constantly blurred the lines between the public and private, personal and professional relationships. Any rule was there to be broken.

He's also left a number of waring factions and it's difficult to work out who exactly is briefing against who.

As the other big party, Labour won't require a coalition and as bad for democracy as it is, I'm sure they have to lay out much of a plan to win.

there's no other right wing party, the Tories mopped up all the UKipers, even the BNP vote Tory now. Tehy win power by being the single party with most votes under unfair FPTP voting system, if you look at all the votes in a general election most are for left or centre left but Tories still get in

They took the below seat from labour even though technically less people voted tory (if you add Tory and UKIP together) and more people voted for left parties

 

[zefarelly]

Last time there was any integrity in the house, people were building new houses out of stone.

 

[nicko31]

itĺl be a lab / lib / SNP coalition

The Tory will

there's no other right wing party, the Tories mopped up all the UKipers, even the BNP vote Tory now. Tehy win power by being the single party with most votes under unfair FPTP voting system, if you look at all the votes in a general election most are for left or centre left but Tories still get in

I actually think Tice and possibly Farage in tow could still do the Tories a lot of damage.

They only need 5 or 6 percent and they’re looking very screwed in a number of seats.

 

[The Clamp]

Even Starmer and the Unions can't blow this lead.

Don’t count on it. If the Tory’s can convince enough people that Aunty Flo wouldn’t have died if the NHS had been privatised, they have a better than good chance of winning.

 

[clapham_gull]

there's no other right wing party, the Tories mopped up all the UKipers, even the BNP vote Tory now. Tehy win power by being the single party with most votes under unfair FPTP voting system, if you look at all the votes in a general election most are for left or centre left but Tories still get in

As if ten years of New Labour didn't happen. You only have to score more goals than the other side.

Blair managed to persuade the middle classes their house prices would be ok, but the game is now different.

That's why Starmer is trying so desperately hard to appease traditional Labour voters who voted Brexit and had "traditional views" regarding issues such as immigration.

.. and not caring that much that he annoying the leftish elements in that party.

The Conservatives have also retreated into a just concentrate on the core vote mode. They haven't got anywhere else to go. They know internally the game is up and now the strategy is to hold into as many seats as they can.

 

[A1X]

 

[clapham_gull]

Don’t count on it. If the Tory’s can convince enough people that Aunty Flo wouldn’t have died if the NHS had been privatised, they have a better than good chance of winning.

Over a long period yes, but they are already in that bat shit bonkers mode they enter (and both parties do) on losing power.

Who knows what is going in internally, but normally Zahawi would have gone. Sunak isn't going to win the next election, so possibly there will be one more throw of the dice.

A company can sack the board, but the Tories have only got what they have to play with and it's really not very good.

 

[clapham_gull]

there's no other right wing party, the Tories mopped up all the UKipers, even the BNP vote Tory now. Tehy win power by being the single party with most votes under unfair FPTP voting system, if you look at all the votes in a general election most are for left or centre left but Tories still get in

They took the below seat from labour even though technically less people voted tory (if you add Tory and UKIP together) and more people voted for left parties

I understand how FPTP works and it's unfairness, but when a Government becomes so embroiled in scandal it's usually on the way out.

It's cuts through issues of left and right.

The only thing the Tories have is time on their hands to hope the scandals go away, but between now and the next election there are number of inquiries to be held.

I'd be amazed if they aren't demolished at the next election. Their best chance would be to purge their extremist wings with an influx of new candidates and hope Starmer drowns in the economic mess they have left him.

 

[vegster]

At least us Brits do decent political scandals
BBC News - Swedish PM in hot water over eel fishing scandal

Swedish PM in hot water over eel fishing scandal

Ulf Kristersson is criticised after hiring an aide who had broken poaching laws and misled police.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bodian]

Not sure Zahawi’s claim that the tax issue was carelessness can have credibility. Are we saying that someone that wealthy doesn’t have a tax accountant who can advise on the correct course of action.

'Carelessness' - in being found out presumably!

 

[nicko31]

Interesting to see if this gains any traction in the media, I'd say not. Just too much going on at once