- Aug 24, 2020
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Weitmann's comments were obviously unexpected and therefore unplanned, so the presenter had no prepared script or prompts to guide him on what to say.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
I'm sure it's on the list of potential targets, priority over other targets : unknown.
fly high
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Ukraine war: Why Kyiv's Dnipro east bank gain could be significant
Ukrainian troops believe their advance across the Dnipro River could help them launch a larger offensive.
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC reporting on progress at the south
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Well said - let’s hope they follow it through
- Aug 24, 2020
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Here's a bit of early pre-match entertainment, while you wait for the Ajax game.
www.forbes.com
A Ukrainian Officer’s Captured Russian Tank Wasn’t Working. So He Called Tech Support—In Russia.
When a Ukrainian tanker with the callsign 'Kochevnik' ran into problems with his captured Russian T-72B3, he called Uralvagonzavod tech support in Russia.
www.forbes.com
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,523
I saw it yesterday. "collapsed and had to be resucitated".
I just dont believe it, we've had Lukashenko on deaths door twice this war, and then each time he pops up looking normal, just 6 weeks ago, rumours that Kadyrov was either dead or on life support then he pops up smiling in a meeing with Putin.
Its all part of the Maskirovka, constant deception and rumour spreading to keep Ukraine and media space off balance. They spread the BS, then Putin re-appears, normal, claiming it was all a western disinformation plot.
I bet the nazi bunker coward, unfortunately, had no such incident.
Braggfan
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded
- May 12, 2014
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yeah you're exactly right. You hear these reports and then they pop up somewhere a week or so later.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I had not heard of Maskirovka before, although I've made various comments about the deception, distraction etc used by Russia.
But it is much, much more than that. It is actually a discipline, studied, defined and exercised within the Russian/Soviet military since at least the 19th century.
I've googled it, and watched a couple of videos, which I won't post on here. I'll leave it up to you all to discover it if you wish.
One underlying question I've struggled with throughout the war is 'how on earth does Russia come to that conclusion?'. This can be applied to any number of events, reports, articles and speeches.
I would suggest that the answer will often lie in Russia's use of 'Maskirovka'. Concealment. Denial. Distraction. Obfuscation. All designed to elicit the wrong responses from Russia's enemies.
- Aug 24, 2020
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'At some point in the future, Western countries will have to re-engage with Russia. How will that be possible? Have too many bridges been burnt?'
A view of Russia and Russians by Georgian author Tinatin Japaridze:
A view of Russia and Russians by Georgian author Tinatin Japaridze:
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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How the west engages with Russia will probably depend on who is the Russian president. I’m not sure how anyone could deal with Putin after what’s happened over the past 10 years and the last 2 years in particular. How could anyone trust entering negotiations with someone who is a proven liar and war criminal? Our gripe ( the world’s) shouldn’t be with the Russian people but with the mafia that runs it.
- Apr 5, 2014
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As much as no-one would mourn him, the above correction to your post is probably the way I would put it.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 5,572
I agree, and I take your point about the Russian people. But it's the Russian people who we have to persuade. We will never persuade the Russian mafia to change. Our gripe is indeed with the leadership, but the roots of change must come from the Russian people.
The article says that even those Russians who have moved to Georgia, (so we can assume they are anti-war), treat Georgia like it is an ex-colony of Russia. Not long after the invasion of Ukraine began, Putin appealed to Ukrainians (to a domestic Russian audience) with 'We are brothers. Lay down your arms'. He evidently saw no issues with invading a sovereign country with a kill list of those in power, while addressing them as brothers for the benefit of the Russian audience. The point here, is not Putin's duplicity, but the fact that he felt the need to present the 'special military operation' as Ukraine's fault to the Russian masses. Around the same time, I heard that Russians view Ukrainians as 'little Russians'.
Any re-engagement and negotiations will have to overcome decades, perhaps centuries, of a misplaced superiority complex, fed by media control and disinformation, which leads to Russians thinking they can invade any country, do whatever they want and take the booty.
Within Russia, there are people who have been born, raised, lived their lives and died, without ever seeing anything approaching a western liberal democracry. How do you turn that around? At the risk of sounding fatalistic, some things in life are insoluble. This may be one of them.
Braggfan
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded
- May 12, 2014
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Thanks for setting me straight
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,523
OK take as is, but could be significant!
Mrs, follows a few Urkrainian and Russian sources that have been reliable and one of those is a Russian in Moscow Called Valery Solovey.
en.m.wikipedia.org
She says he doesn't speak that often but everytime he has, he's been totally accurate previously (about stuff in Kremlin) he definitely has contacts at the very top of Kremlin administration, and according to the other half, when he's been pressed of why he himself has not been killed (lives in Moscow) for spilling stuff previously, his answer is, "of course its not impossible for me to be killed, but let's say I have protections at the very very top, so I don't think I will, while not impossible".
My wife thinks (more hunch) it may be Putins right hand man Nikolai Patruschev that protect him, that is speculation.
Anyway he's just published a video in Russian (not sure how well may translate into English but there is subtitles in english with auto translate?)
And in it he says that for 100% the real Putin did die a few days ago, he names the date as Thursday 26th October at time around 8-9pm and his corpse is in a refrigerated morgue at his residence in Valdai.
That one of his doppelgangers is doing photo ops for TV etc and there's a big power struggle going on behind the scenes of who will assume control. Patruschev is pushing his son and has backing of FSB, but other parties also positioning and already a few associated deaths.
That it will take around 2 months until resolved and once transition resolved and public messaging finalised, their population will then be made aware. In meantime denials.
That his mistress Kabeyeva and his 3 kids with her will get safe passage to UAE and others will use transition period to escape.
That most want to end war in Ukraine but they won't without getting something back, like formalised keeping of Crimea (which probably wouldn't be accepted by Ukraine public).
Patruschev is even more an anti West, nato under every bed and around every corner, still living in cold war, than Putin..He wants to expand war, most others want out.
So take it all as the expressed opinion of Valery Solovey, definitely connected, previously right but this time
?
Mrs, follows a few Urkrainian and Russian sources that have been reliable and one of those is a Russian in Moscow Called Valery Solovey.
Valery Solovei - Wikipedia
She says he doesn't speak that often but everytime he has, he's been totally accurate previously (about stuff in Kremlin) he definitely has contacts at the very top of Kremlin administration, and according to the other half, when he's been pressed of why he himself has not been killed (lives in Moscow) for spilling stuff previously, his answer is, "of course its not impossible for me to be killed, but let's say I have protections at the very very top, so I don't think I will, while not impossible".
My wife thinks (more hunch) it may be Putins right hand man Nikolai Patruschev that protect him, that is speculation.
Anyway he's just published a video in Russian (not sure how well may translate into English but there is subtitles in english with auto translate?)
And in it he says that for 100% the real Putin did die a few days ago, he names the date as Thursday 26th October at time around 8-9pm and his corpse is in a refrigerated morgue at his residence in Valdai.
That one of his doppelgangers is doing photo ops for TV etc and there's a big power struggle going on behind the scenes of who will assume control. Patruschev is pushing his son and has backing of FSB, but other parties also positioning and already a few associated deaths.
That it will take around 2 months until resolved and once transition resolved and public messaging finalised, their population will then be made aware. In meantime denials.
That his mistress Kabeyeva and his 3 kids with her will get safe passage to UAE and others will use transition period to escape.
That most want to end war in Ukraine but they won't without getting something back, like formalised keeping of Crimea (which probably wouldn't be accepted by Ukraine public).
Patruschev is even more an anti West, nato under every bed and around every corner, still living in cold war, than Putin..He wants to expand war, most others want out.
So take it all as the expressed opinion of Valery Solovey, definitely connected, previously right but this time
?
OK take as is, but could be significant!
Mrs, follows a few Urkrainian and Russian sources that have been reliable and one of those is a Russian in Moscow Called Valery Solovey.
Valery Solovei - Wikipedia
She says he doesn't speak that often but everytime he has, he's been totally accurate previously (about stuff in Kremlin) he definitely has contacts at the very top of Kremlin administration, and according to the other half, when he's been pressed of why he himself has not been killed (lives in Moscow) for spilling stuff previously, his answer is, "of course its not impossible for me to be killed, but let's say I have protections at the very very top, so I don't think I will, while not impossible".
My wife thinks (more hunch) it may be Putins right hand man Nikolai Patruschev that protect him, that is speculation.
Anyway he's just published a video in Russian (not sure how well may translate into English but there is subtitles in english with auto translate?)
And in it he says that for 100% the real Putin did die a few days ago, he names the date as Thursday 26th October at time around 8-9pm and his corpse is in a refrigerated morgue at his residence in Valdai.
That one of his doppelgangers is doing photo ops for TV etc and there's a big power struggle going on behind the scenes of who will assume control. Patruschev is pushing his son and has backing of FSB, but other parties also positioning and already a few associated deaths.
That it will take around 2 months until resolved and once transition resolved and public messaging finalised, their population will then be made aware. In meantime denials.
That his mistress Kabeyeva and his 3 kids with her will get safe passage to UAE and others will use transition period to escape.
That most want to end war in Ukraine but they won't without getting something back, like formalised keeping of Crimea (which probably wouldn't be accepted by Ukraine public).
Patruschev is even more an anti West, nato under every bed and around every corner, still living in cold war, than Putin..He wants to ir war, most others want out.
So take it all as the expressed opinion of Valery Solovey, definitely connected, previously right but this time
Would be a nice birthday present for me and my family if Putin's dead
. Of course many others should also be eliminated one way or another for what they've done.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,523
There is, I've seen it and even posted on here before. It's in the ear lobes, very different between real and dummy.
Nice as it would be if Evil Dobby is indeed lying in a morgue somewhere, I just think it’s all a bit convenient and something would have got out through someone. Major world leaders don’t die quietly.