[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

There 's a saying in business. KYC. Know your customer.

I suspect that Biden's closing comment 'For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power', was deliberately vague, the speechwriter knowing that it would be interpreted as code for regime change in the Kremlin, as that's how they operate.

So Biden gives Putin a warning, using a bit of KYK - know your Kremlin, and let's him sleep on it.

Today, we have Anthony Blinken saying the US has no strategy of regime change, and that it's up to the Russian people.

Excellent work. Make a veiled threat. Withdraw it, and replace it with, for Putin, a more frightening one. Democracy, and loss of control.

 

[essbee1]

There 's a saying in business. KYC. Know your customer.

I suspect that Biden's closing comment 'For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power', was deliberately vague, the speechwriter knowing that it would be interpreted as code for regime change in the Kremlin, as that's how they operate.

So Biden gives Putin a warning, using a bit of KYK - know your Kremlin, and let's him sleep on it.

Today, we have Anthony Blinken saying the US has no strategy of regime change, and that it's up to the Russian people.

Excellent work. Make a veiled threat. Withdraw it, and replace it with, for Putin, a more frightening one. Democracy, and loss of control.

Agreed. If Pri*kin was paranoid before about power and loss of it, then he's just been raised to a new level.

 

[A1X]

'Not for Biden to decide if Putin leads Russia - Kremlin'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60856533 19:15 26 Mar

To recap, Biden, gave a speech with comments aimed directly at the Russian people, closing with: "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power."

'According to Reuters, a Kremlin spokesman responded: "That's not for Biden to decide. The president of Russia is elected by Russians.'

Isn't it good to see the Kremlin to reject the idea of regime change from another nation, and embrace the ballot box?

It's just a pity they didn't deploy this excellent idea in Ukraine.

Ironic given the Kremlin decided who should run the USA in 2016

 

[vegster]

There 's a saying in business. KYC. Know your customer.

I suspect that Biden's closing comment 'For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power', was deliberately vague, the speechwriter knowing that it would be interpreted as code for regime change in the Kremlin, as that's how they operate.

So Biden gives Putin a warning, using a bit of KYK - know your Kremlin, and let's him sleep on it.

Today, we have Anthony Blinken saying the US has no strategy of regime change, and that it's up to the Russian people.

Excellent work. Make a veiled threat. Withdraw it, and replace it with, for Putin, a more frightening one. Democracy, and loss of control.

Well summed up. Putin is a man with many problems now.

 

[Bry Nylon]

So here we have a dictator who purges all opposition, sends assassins into other countries to murder dissidents, has invaded a peaceful sovereign country to seize their territory and install a puppet regime, has sanctioned the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians and destroyed the homes, businesses, schools and life chances of tens thousands of others and created the biggest refugee crisis in living memory, displacing millions of people. What’s more, he has made veiled threats to the world that he will use nuclear weapons if anyone tries to stop him.

And a few people are getting upset about the diplomatic niceties of saying he should be removed from power, FFS? I notice the Kremlin don’t seem so bothered about regime change when it comes to the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. Biden has been on the international stage for decades and his words and the subsequent diplomatic clarification will have been very carefully thought out. Message delivered to Russian hierarchy and the Russian people; there’s only one way out of this for Russia now, and that doesn’t include Vladimir Putin.

 

[vegster]

So here we have a dictator who purges all opposition, sends assassins into other countries to murder dissidents, has invaded a peaceful sovereign country to seize their territory and install a puppet regime, has sanctioned the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians and destroyed the homes, businesses, schools and life chances of tens thousands of others and created the biggest refugee crisis in living memory, displacing millions of people. What’s more, he has made veiled threats to the world that he will use nuclear weapons if anyone tries to stop him.

And a few people are getting upset about the diplomatic niceties of saying he should be removed from power, FFS? I notice the Kremlin don’t seem so bothered about regime change when it comes to the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. Biden has been on the international stage for decades and his words and the subsequent diplomatic clarification will have been very carefully thought out. Message delivered to Russian hierarchy and the Russian people; there’s only one way out of this for Russia now, and that doesn’t include Vladimir Putin.

You forgot to add that in the early days of the invasion there was credible evidence that President Zelinskiy was the target of assassination teams sent in by Putin to " Speed up " regime change in Ukraine. so, once again, amazing double standards.

 

[beorhthelm]

So here we have a dictator who purges all opposition, sends assassins into other countries to murder dissidents, has invaded a peaceful sovereign country to seize their territory and install a puppet regime, has sanctioned the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians and destroyed the homes, businesses, schools and life chances of tens thousands of others and created the biggest refugee crisis in living memory, displacing millions of people. What’s more, he has made veiled threats to the world that he will use nuclear weapons if anyone tries to stop him.

And a few people are getting upset about the diplomatic niceties of saying he should be removed from power, FFS? I notice the Kremlin don’t seem so bothered about regime change when it comes to the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. Biden has been on the international stage for decades and his words and the subsequent diplomatic clarification will have been very carefully thought out. Message delivered to Russian hierarchy and the Russian people; there’s only one way out of this for Russia now, and that doesn’t include Vladimir Putin.

maybe not so wise when Putin's basic pitch to his people is the world is against us. it will have a negative impact on the Russian people and may help Putin.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

maybe not so wise when Putin's basic pitch to his people is the world is against us. it will have a negative impact on the Russian people and may help Putin.

Putin was a popular authoritarian in the early days. Russians seemed to want a strongman leader to roll back the decline in Russian power. Showing respect to Putin simply plays in to the narrative. It’s time to show the Russians the consequences of having such a leader.

 

[usernamed]

Putin was a popular authoritarian in the early days. Russians seemed to want a strongman leader to roll back the decline in Russian power. Showing respect to Putin simply plays in to the narrative. It’s time to show the Russians the consequences of having such a leader.

Agree completely. Showing that we find Putin ridiculous and hold him in contempt, will energise those within Russia who care about how their country is perceived internationally.

I don’t think we should accord someone so full of obvious nonsense too much respect.

 

[beorhthelm]

Putin was a popular authoritarian in the early days. Russians seemed to want a strongman leader to roll back the decline in Russian power. Showing respect to Putin simply plays in to the narrative. It’s time to show the Russians the consequences of having such a leader.

you're ignoring that most of what most Russian people see and hear is carefully filtered. he'll spins this in his favour - "shortages? fault of the US that are attempting to force regime change, Biden just said so."
just not very helpful.

 

[Icy Gull]

maybe not so wise when Putin's basic pitch to his people is the world is against us. it will have a negative impact on the Russian people and may help Putin.

Hopefully there are some within his inner circle with a better comprehension of World politics who may be thinking that Putin is past his sell by date….

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

you're ignoring that most of what most Russian people see and hear is carefully filtered. he'll spins this in his favour - "shortages? fault of the US that are attempting to force regime change, Biden just said so."
just not very helpful.

He spins it anyway. If it’s not this it will be something else eg Liz Truss pre invasion. He knows there are plenty in the West whose buttons are easily pressed and much of what the Kremlin says is for their benefit as much as it is for Russians. Painting Biden as reckless is a pitch at Trump supporters. I hope Biden continues in the same vein and backs it with action. We have to unravel and reverse years of Western appeasement of Putin for which Ukraine is currently paying the price.

 

[rogersix]

maybe not so wise when Putin's basic pitch to his people is the world is against us. it will have a negative impact on the Russian people and may help Putin.

I think Biden's last line was directed at the chosen few who have a chance of bumping him off. The higher echelons know their economy will be in the doodad until sanctions are lifted

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Hear what you are saying and agree in principle although he couldn't get to the borders of France without going through another NATO country first would would of course trigger clause 5.

At that point the "Would you die for Narva ?" question is asked.

And judging by the free pass Putin is currently getting I'm not 100% sure the answer would be "Yes"

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

At that point the "Would you die for Narva ?" question is asked.

And judging by the free pass Putin is currently getting I'm not 100% sure the answer would be "Yes"

I hadn’t heard that phrase before.
Good article here;

https://upnorth.eu/putin-prepared-die-narva/

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I hadn’t heard that phrase before.
Good article here;

https://upnorth.eu/putin-prepared-die-narva/

Yes, indeed.

That article was written in 2014 and we are still facing the same issues with Putin.

 

[Eric the meek]

What's the betting that as the arrogant, entitled war criminals in the Kremlin watched their armoured vehicles cross the border into Ukraine on 24th February, not one of them would have countenanced the remotest possibility that Biden, making an oblique reference to regime change a month later, wasn't referring to Ukraine, but instead was referring to themselves?

 

[peterward]

Interesting opinion on Russian State propaganda TV. Off message?

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[A1X]

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[Blue Valkyrie]

Kasparov talks sense. Again.

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