[News] Hamas/Gaza/Israel

[Zeberdi]

Israel's idea of a two state solution currently appears to consist of funnelling off the Palestinian population of Gaza into the Sinai Peninsula - irrespective of any views Egypt may have on the matter

That’s not quite what’s happening tbh - Egypt with Qatar and Israel, Hamas and the US have agreed to a limited evacuation of some of the most critically sick and injured - I don’t know what else they are supposed to do at the moment with these poor people - do you? - most of them are critically injured and because of the blockade , the hospitals have all but run out of fuel and supplies, or are completely unsafe/inaccessible because they are in the midst of the battle zone - they also don’t have the specialist care some of these patients need - the only way these injured and sick Palestinians will get lifesaving medical treatment is to get them out of Gaza into Egypt via ambulance and get them to hospitals in North Sinai who are properly equipped to treat them. Horrendous for doctors having to choose who gets to go and who doesn’t because the numbers being allowed through are strictly limited - for some, staying will almost certainly be a death sentence..

Most of the people going through are foreign nationals - Israel’s main ‘evacuation’ plan is to enforce an evacuation of over a million people from North to South Gaza - many of whom won‘t leave for fear of being shelled while on the road or are simply too weak or sick to go, with medical staff insisting on staying with their patients. Or even more tragically- they feel there is literally no where safe for them to go to in the whole of Gaza - and after the past few weeks, that is hard to argue against.

Israel-Hamas war: Gaza doctor says he has dozens more patients who need to cross into Egypt

Dr Youssuf Al Akkad, from the Gaza European Hospital, had the difficult job of selecting 18 of his most seriously ill patients to make the crossing. He said his facility was in danger of running out of fuel supplies in a matter of days.

news.sky.com

Palestinians flee northern Gaza after Israel orders 1 million to evacuate as ground attack looms

Palestinians began a mass exodus Friday from northern Gaza after Israel’s military told some 1 million people to evacuate toward the southern part of the besieged territory.

apnews.com

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Israel's idea of a two state solution currently appears to consist of funnelling off the Palestinian population of Gaza into the Sinai Peninsula - irrespective of any views Egypt may have on the matter

Looks to me like they are driving them all into a corner and bombing the shit out of the whole population. Seems to be a policy of bombing as many people as possible in the hope of hitting a few genuine targets. Any support for peace within the Palestinian population must be diminishing by the hour. That’s a level of revenge that I can’t understand from a country that from it’s history should know better. They have lost the moral ground but it seems whatever they do gets a thumbs up from the U.K. and U.S. Governments and their oppositions. WTF ?
The Israeli government should hang its head in shame.

 

[Zeberdi]

On the day Netanyahu says ‘no‘ to Blinken’s request for even a temporary ceasefire ….this … running out of superlatives that express what ‘this’ is frankly …

Netanyahu: No temporary ceasefire without our hostages released; no fuel into Gaza

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www.timesofisrael.com

I guess every Palestinian still in North Gaza is a target now regardless of who they are.

Isreal‘s membership of the UN should be suspended until the Netanyahu government call a temporary ceasefire to get injured civilians out of the field.

 

[bWize]

On the day Netanyahu says ‘no‘ to Blinken’s request for even a temporary ceasefire ….this … running out of superlatives that express what ‘this’ is frankly …

Netanyahu: No temporary ceasefire without our hostages released; no fuel into Gaza

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

I guess every Palestinian still in North Gaza is a target now regardless of who they are.

Isreal‘s membership of the UN should be suspended until the Netanyahu government call a temporary ceasefire to get injured civilians out of the field.

Disgusting!

 

[Boys 9d]

When the Russians bombed a Ukrainian hospital, did the UK an UK call that a War Crime?

 

[Eeyore]

When the Russians bombed a Ukrainian hospital, did the UK an UK call that a War Crime?

War crimes are relative to the eyes of the beholder. Like most things in life, even football. People will argue on the basis of self or tribal interest.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

On the day Netanyahu says ‘no‘ to Blinken’s request for even a temporary ceasefire ….this … running out of superlatives that express what ‘this’ is frankly …

Netanyahu: No temporary ceasefire without our hostages released; no fuel into Gaza

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

I guess every Palestinian still in North Gaza is a target now regardless of who they are.

Isreal‘s membership of the UN should be suspended until the Netanyahu government call a temporary ceasefire to get injured civilians out of the field.

Suspended!
expelled

 

[Easy 10]

The world was revolted by the actions of Hamas on October 7th.

But I am now equally disgusted at the response from Israel. This is not targeted. It is genocide.

 

[wellquickwoody]

If you were to draw a small moustache on a photo of Netanyahu then most of the Jewish population around the globe would take offence. But killing thousands of innocent civilians is OK apparently.

Please note my use of the word MOST.

 

[sparkie]

When the Russians bombed a Ukrainian hospital, did the UK an UK call that a War Crime?

Yes. Because it was a war crime.

Amnesty blamed Ukraine for stationing soldiers within cities though, which was a very weird take, but there was rightful outrage about that Amnesty report at the time.

No point in playing distasteful "Genocide Olympics" though to point score which genocide is worse and "wins".

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Yes. Because it was a war crime.

Amnesty blamed Ukraine for stationing soldiers within cities though, which was a very weird take, but there was rightful outrage about that Amnesty report at the time.

No point in playing distasteful "Genocide Olympics" though to point score which genocide is worse and "wins".

I think the point being made isn't which genocide is worse - more that the Russian action was called out as a war crime / genocide by almost every Western country while Israeli actions are not, despite being on par with Russian actions.

 

[Bakero]

And our politicians will still parrot "Israel has every right to defend itself." Shameful.

 

[borat]

Looks to me like they are driving them all into a corner and bombing the shit out of the whole population. Seems to be a policy of bombing as many people as possible in the hope of hitting a few genuine targets. Any support for peace within the Palestinian population must be diminishing by the hour. That’s a level of revenge that I can’t understand from a country that from it’s history should know better. They have lost the moral ground but it seems whatever they do gets a thumbs up from the U.K. and U.S. Governments and their oppositions. WTF ?
The Israeli government should hang its head in shame.

The idea that the Israelis had the "moral ground" or even close to it before recent events is a laughable fallacy. They were oppressing, occupying and killing Palestinians long before last month.

 

[aolstudios]

The idea that the Israelis had the "moral ground" or even close to it before recent events is a laughable fallacy. They were oppressing, occupying and killing Palestinians long before last month.

& Hamas were firing dozens, often hundreds of indiscriminate missiles into Israel every single day. Not to mention the regular & planned senseless murders of defenceless citizens, celebrated with dancing & plates of sweets in Palestine.
But you know that

 

[pocketseagull]

Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza

From 2014

An atmosphere of anticipatory excitement grows as dusk falls, in the expectation that Hamas militants will increase rocket fire after breaking their Ramadan fast, and the Israeli military will respond with force.


The thud of shellfire, flash of an explosion and pall of smoke are greeted with exclamations of approval. "What a beauty," says one appreciative spectator.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

& Hamas were firing dozens, often hundreds of indiscriminate missiles into Israel every single day. Not to mention the regular & planned senseless murders of defenceless citizens, celebrated with dancing & plates of sweets in Palestine.
But you know that

Feel free to list the numbers of deaths from Hamas rockets versus Israel's policies againt the Palestinians.

 

[wellquickwoody]

& Hamas were firing dozens, often hundreds of indiscriminate missiles into Israel every single day. Not to mention the regular & planned senseless murders of defenceless citizens, celebrated with dancing & plates of sweets in Palestine.
But you know that

Palestinian casualties of Israeli military action over the last 10 years outnumber those in reverse by about 50 to 1, but you knew that already.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Palestinian casualties of Israeli military action over the last 10 years outnumber those in reverse by about 50 to 1, but you knew that already.

Maybe we should gift the Palestinians an Iron Dome.

 

[Zeberdi]

If you were to draw a small moustache on a photo of Netanyahu then most of the Jewish population around the globe would take offence. But killing thousands of innocent civilians is OK apparently.

Please note my use of the word MOST.

I agree - because for ‘most Jews’, comparing their elected Prime Minister to a Nazi dictator that rounded up 5 million Jews because they were Jews and threw them all into the gas chambers or had them shot in massive in firing squads, would be offensive.

It’s is not helpful to keep bringing up the Holocaust and comparing it to what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza on a number of levels - and yes, most, if not all Jews would find that offensive.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I agree - because for ‘most Jews’, comparing their elected Prime Minister to a Nazi dictator that rounded up 5 million Jews because they were Jews and threw them all into the gas chambers or had them shot in massive in firing squads, would be offensive.

It’s is not helpful to keep bringing up the Holocaust and comparing it to what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza on a number of levels - and yes, most, if not all Jews would find that offensive.

Point taken.

I just find the hypocracy and media spin absolutely galling.