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I doubt it would stop there, if it came to it.

Indeed....it might not.

Oh, and that'll make him change his mind? Or not.....and then what?

That's fair enough and I support more of the same - just not direct action - and with respect, that wasn't what you accused me of in your initial post.

Your post stated that I was worried about us supporting Ukraine/poking Russia. #7638 "Stop worrying that we are poking the bear by supporting Ukraine." Nothing above contradicts that and my concerns as to HOW FAR we poke, remain the same. I have said all along that I support the actions...

"Not odds I'd like"?? Jeez, comparing WW3 to the blitz and Hiroshima/Nagasaki is like comparing an air pistol to an Uzi.

I'm not worried about that at all, and if you can point me to where I've said otherwise, feel free. :shrug:

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I'm okay with most of that, but straying too far over the line could well mean curtains for us all, and that obviously includes Putin's Russia. He won't last forever....nobody does, so we keep supplying and supporting Ukraine in every possible way, as well as ruining their economy. If all that...

The world isn't shite, it just seems that way due to the actions of a few nutters who hold power. The vast majority of people are decent and deserve better than to die at the hands of those few. Great dreams, by the way, and if you have any re: lottery numbers, can you pass them on before it's...

That may well be true, but that horse has bolted and we're now where we are. As has been asked many times here, other than entering into direct conflict with Russia, right now, what more do you suggest we can do?

The resilience of Ukraine is being constantly bolstered by the West, only falling short of directly entering the conflict. Yes, Russia IS being weakened and will continue to be, as well as the sanctions taking effect - which they are, quite clearly. It's a far from ideal situation, but other...

Worse things happen at sea, I guess. :)

I disagree; sanctions equate to being poked, most of the world against you equates to being poked, having the West supplying weapons equates to being poked. All these things are good, of course.

You could be right, but equally you could be wrong. I feel that direct NATO involvement is an absolute last resort. Things already haven't gone Putin's way, and the longer this goes on, the harder it is for Russia.

No, it wasn't being poked, but it currently is (and again, rightly so), and Putin is feeling it, too. The question is, how hard do you poke, knowing the potential outcome for all? As I said earlier, it's a long game and yes, horrendous for Ukraine, but poking too far/hard too soon will do...

If it gets that far, they won't be waking up at all - ever. Of course, neither will we.

If you think the West is just 'sitting back and doing nothing', I fear you're very much mistaken.

Yes, that WW3 will be the end, so has to be avoided.