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Not quite that bizarre though when you realise the record prior to Oct 22

Precisely. We've had 45 years of the neoliberal experiment subjected upon us and, lo and behold, it's been awful for the majority. Yet some still think it's the way to organise an economy, and then there are others that really enjoy the mobilisation of hate against all sorts of minorities and...

Sunak's latest reset attempt can be summed up succinctly: be afraid, be very afraid, so afraid that you'll have to do the unthinkable and vote for my lot. How many more resets is he going to attempt ahead of the election?

He was riding the crest of the wave having won two other referenda. What he didn't factor in was that he had the press on his side for those two, whereas he didn't for the one that followed.

Yes, this does reveal core differences in the Tory Party, but they've been abundantly evident for a while now, and will be with us for much if not all of the next parliament (potentially even beyond that). It also reveals the extent to which Israel has set the agenda recently. They do this quite...

And there you have it, now the futility argument being rolled out. I do wonder how we got a NHS, as just one example.

I'd put a large amount of money on them not getting anything like 16%. Between them and the Tories, they've been running on a combined vote of about 33% in the polls for a year now.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/28/boris-johnson-nicolas-maduro-meeting-labour Oh, but he's so funny, he's just like us, a relatable ordinary guy

I can't quite remember why but I once listened to a very long (two? three hours) interview with Jordan Peterson, which was about his mystery illness. Plenty of whining in there. I listened, so you don't have to :thumbsup:

Broadly I agree. But they started from a very different place from us -- the reliance on Russian gas, and post-WW2 anti-militarism -- both of which Merkel pursued relentlessly. Scholz has actually moved Germany a fair bit, and has been led by foreign minister Annalena Baerbock regarding...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/28/more-than-half-of-tory-members-in-poll-say-islam-a-threat-to-british-way-of-life Yes, but there's equivalence between left and right, and antisemitism is just as bad in the Labour Party.

As I suspect you're well aware, she's been banging this particular drum for about a decade now. Because Islamophobia in the Conservative Party, and in wider UK society is alive and well. And yet we hear so little about it. It's hiding in plain sight, while all the noise is generated elsewhere.

I think this is a good question and, although you haven't said it, it points towards a snobbery/intellectualism of the left that is a little more prominent than on the right (ie, "it's only the right that are 'indoctrinated' by the Mail, whereas I'm a free-thinking Guardian reader"). That said...

I think there's something in what @chickens says (Sun and Mail readers tend to be less loyal to the editorial party line than other papers). But the media (or press, which is what I'm talking about) really isn't 'primarily in the business of selling what people want to read'. If they did, why is...

Who are you counting as 'right'? Tories only managed 36.9% of those that voted (66%). The other parties would have to be doing some heavy lifting to get beyond the half-way point.

No idea what you're asking. It might be about what the Cons can do in these circumstances. If you want a cogent answer, then listen to what Henry Hill says on tonight's C4 News or, if you prefer, read what he says on conservativehome. Katy Balls is worth paying attention to too.

All the metrics are down for party politics and electoral turnouts. And that's because the electoral-representative regime is acting against the demos, and the demos sense it. They haven't worked out what to do about it, and perhaps never will, but it's a very prevalent phenomenon.

Don't accuse a poster of finding anti-semitism amusing when you have ZERO evidence for it. You should retract this comment immediately.

GB News does contrive to put most of those worth ignoring in one basket. I got about 30 seconds in, and that was enough.

Without wanting to be too argumentative :smile: they obviously aren't that impactful if you can only point to one four elections ago in which the leader of a third party did well -- he had somewhat of a free pass in that one which was the first IIRC. That said, the core point I was trying (and...