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Like Russia occupying Ukraine, it should never be accepted.

Gaza is a city :shrug: Yes, the Gaza strip is also referred to as Gaza, but the point was that neither of those are the whole of Palestine. I know you didn't, I didn't say otherwise. You weren't trying to patronise me about the policy, you were trying to patronise me about the difference...

If the whole world stopped supplying Ukraine and Russia, that would benefit Russia. Yes, they would lose some support from Iran, but Ukraine stand to lose more, which would benefit Russia.

You're wrong and your attempts at patronising won't help. I know what Gaza is and whether you're referring to the Gaza Strip or city, it is not the whole of Palestine. And regardless of which part of Gaza, it is not currently Israel's policy to occupy it, so I'm not sure what your point is...

IMO Putin decides what his ministers and media should and shouldn't say. They make nuclear threats with Putin's backing. Re 'official Kremlin policy', I think you're mixing up our discussion about their nuclear threats with their policy of making Ukraine part of Russia. I wasn't suggesting that...

Ditto what? I've not asked you to look up something I've posted, so what are you talking about? Thanks. I'll go with 'don't'.

Thanks, but you've basically posted a link confirming what I said: "The statement from the firebrand Ben-Gvir clashed with the official government position iterated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that Israel does not intend to return a permanent presence to Gaza once the war with Hamas is...

If Israel just wanted to live in peace, they should not occupy any of Palestine. But they do. They should leave.

There are over 4,000 posts here, so I'm not going to go through them to find something you claim. If you want to backup your claim, do so. If you don't, then don't.

What? They've threatened Ireland and the UK among others, and there would obviously be a retaliation if they destroyed the whole of the UK, so of course it's a threat to the world. Then stop discussing it :shrug: Is someone brings up the likelihood of this conflict starting WW3, it's not...

It is Russian policy to take over the whole of Ukraine. I don't think that it's Israel's policy to take over the whole of Palestine (feel free to provide a link if it is).

In that example, they said "Iran must face a credible nuclear threat”. That in itself is like the US and UK's MAD position regarding Russia et al. We have no intention of nuking Russia or anywhere else, but the threat is there should they use nukes first. Also, Israel responded to the criticism...

I disagree. Israel do not threaten to use nuclear weapons to wipe out the whole world. While I'm against Israel's actions in Palestine, there are also differences between that and Russia's war against Ukraine: Hamas (from Palestine) attacked Israel, killing about 1,200 people. Hamas have stated...

If it's a world war, then by definition the entire world is involved. But the question was whether this is the start of it. If Russia starts losing badly in Ukraine, there is the possibility they would escalate the conflict. It's a leap to think that the US will escalate to the extent that WW3...

How so? I'd have thought the Russia/Ukraine war is more likely to start WW3.

You said "Seems to me that Corbyn and (especially) McLusky spoke sense." And I'm saying that I don't think McLusky was making sense when he said Hamas would disband if Israel left. I agree. Morgan is a tw@

Is it sense to claim that if Israel stopped occupying Gaza (which they should) that Hamas would disband? That's complete nonsense.

I haven't read the thread, but generally on NSC I see a lot of empathy for Palestinians and distain at the occupation. I just don't get how Israel are justifying the occupation. I remember an excuse from years ago that holding some of the territories gave them a better defence against attacks...

The IRA didn't kill over a thousand civilians in a bombing attack. The IRA's goal was to have a united Ireland, and that has partly been achieved with people in Northern Ireland being able to have an Irish passport and there being free travel between the regions etc. There's also likely to be...

So you're saying that Israel was created unjustly and shouldn't exist, and its neighbours should do whatever it takes to remove Israel. Ok. In those circumstances, what do you think the innocent people living in Israel (it's not their fault the stupid Americans and Brits put Israel there) should...