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My question about this is what happens when the election comes? These aren’t popular backbenchers crossing the floor, they’re rats leaving a sinking ship. Is their association with a desperately unpopular Tory government actually going to harm their election chances in those constituencies...

Is it possible to just debate the facts without this constant sniping?

Tory supporters are grasping at straws.

Not interested in Rayner allegations at the moment. Far more interested in Starmer’s pledge to defence spending, which I very much welcome. With Europe not-quite-but-almost on a knife edge we can’t be so complacent. NHS and defence spending and efficiency thereof both have to massively increase.

Politics is the art of the possible, something which many Labour voters complaining about their shift to the centre don’t understand.

Well the thing is most of us - especially the vocal majority on here - don’t want this to keep happening. I’d rather it stopped. It gives the right wing press and the Tories free ammunition to target Starmer and Labour. If they have to concede a couple of candidates, it’s for the greater good...

No it doesn’t mean that. It means not using antisemitic slurs at all - it’s really very simple. It doesn’t matter how fair and objective an opinion is if it comes from a place of racial or religious intolerance and is preceded by open hate. They’ve done well getting lots of the antisemites...

Labour still have some way to go rooting out the antisemites. Great progress has been made, but recent events haven’t been a good look. First real error so far from Starmer in my view with his initial comments and inaction - not that it changes my voting intentions, before the usual mob swoop...

The problem I have was that the policy and quoted figure was made without any costings whatever, with no knowledge of what the global economy would be doing if/when in power, or crucially how much money they had to fund this policy. I don’t criticise Labour for backtracking on this issue, but I...

Just me and the electorate, then.

The proof is in the pudding. The pudding being the elections under left wing candidates and doctrine that Labour have consistently failed with for a century. You can blame the right wing press, the Tories, the stupid electorate… nothing changes the fact that the public as a whole - not a very...

Fortunately for me I’ve never said that either…

@WATFORD zero will be along shortly to playfully mock your value system.

This happens mate. What I must say though is @Bozza is doing a brilliant job. We have moderators of all political persuasions (intentionally) which shows how this community should be by design. A free and open place for Albion fans to congregate and chat.

Fair play.

But you can see how nuanced debate can so easily be shut down by “YOU’RE TORY SCUM” type replies, whether it’s true or not. It’s a bad look.

I strongly disagree. In fact, my own experiences are the exact opposite, making this statement nonsense anecdotally. I have been repeatedly attacked by the same two posters because I have opinions which sound to them like I’m a die-hard Tory. Despite repeatedly saying I’m voting Labour because...

Okay yeah you’re right. I’m right wing. As I say, tiresome.

I’ve said a billion times I am voting for Starmer, not that it’s any of your business. Would I vote for a far left wing candidate like Corbyn? No. Did I vote Tory last time? No. I am not a Labour supporter, or a Tory, or a Green, I vote for the party which at the time offers what I believe to...

Did he win? No. Did Corbyn win? No. Why didn’t they win? Because the public didn’t like them. Will Starmer win? Yes. Because the public likes him - and Labour supporters strangely don’t. As if they are desperate to stay in opposition and wait for their leftist utopia. The irony is all Labour...