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This reply is excellent...

I wonder at what stage the Wagner convoy will be engaged properly. Would assume that would be a litmus lest for both sides resolve.

That's incorrect, at least in the US context: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

That's just a mock up 'joke' by followers of comedian Sam Hyde. Pretty sure that didn't come from the Russians.

This guy went to Ukraine in 2018 to help fight against Russia. Before that he was in Syria fighting Islamic State. Unless he was using war for some nefarious purpose, then he's definitely on the right side of history. I don't begrudge some resources being spent on him, do you?

Good question, I wonder how it could be different? So, errrr, very different then.

Classic victim blaming. Scumbag.

No words for that. Can't event begin to imagine how she is feeling.

You appear to be doing to the same. Negotiating peace from a position of safety (NATO country) on behalf of the people fighting the war. Surely it should be up to Ukrainians what peace settlements they accept?

No, no, no. That's the WRONG TYPE of "historical context". Only the hard left anti nato context is allowed here. (And I just like this as a lefty myself)

Thanks for the heads up. I have a 2 year old daughter and I definitely couldn't have watched that. The headlines today and the pictures of that little girl have had me in tears.

Sounds more like victim blaming to me. Awful lot of it on this thread from people who's political leanings would baulk at it in other circumstances.

Oh dear, Swansman's woken up again. Lets all convene for a (relatively) sensible debate at 8am when he'll have just about burnt himself out.

Outside of a political union these countries could still be vetoing the decision. At least within the current EU structures some trade off could be made to bring them round. Outside that might not be quite as possible. But you are right, you were pretty fair. The EU has given me a lot in my...

Come on mate, you were asking people to stop the political point scoring yesterday. Don't get into it yourself today.

The screams of those children are harrowing, ****ing harrowing. And some on here can't stop arguing about Brexit, party politics, covid. It's just staggering.