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lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
Jun 11, 2011
13,756
Worthing
Nothing surprises me about the London electorate and the result may be quite close. I had more nuanced thoughts over the last few days.

I'm not predicting it, but a Conservative Mayor in readiness for a Labour Government is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Low turnout and the new voting system may not work well for Sadiq.




Who knows ? voting behaviour can be quite surprising up here.

Khan was 1/14 on, Hall was 10/1 at the last showing of odds on Skybet.

The bookies rarely get it that wrong.
 






Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
15,014
Nothing surprises me about the London electorate and the result may be quite close. I had more nuanced thoughts over the last few days.

I'm not predicting it, but a Conservative Mayor in readiness for a Labour Government is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Low turnout and the new voting system may not work well for Sadiq.

Who knows ? voting behaviour can be quite surprising up here.
One of the fundamental problems with politics these days (or maybe it has always been like this) seems to be the amount of negativity towards candidates, as opposed to people 'selling' themselves to voters. Maybe that's because they are pretty useless to begin with – as Hall seems to be.
 




Gabbiano

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Dec 18, 2017
1,311
Spank the Manc
Labour and Lib Dem’s neck and neck with the Tories in the new Mid Sussex constituency according to some polls. Certainly won’t be a walkover for the Tories but a good chance the anti Tory vote will split the opposition and allow the shocking Kristy Adams in.
I hope that's not the case, in Horsham too. Boundary changes could have an impact as the new East Grinstead and Uckfield seat has sucked up more Tory areas of both seats.

I'd love if, for the first time in my life, my hometown doesn't just return another yes-man Tory career politician.

But at this point I'd hazard that the Tories would still be favourites and Quin will cling on.
 






TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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The UK government’s climate action plan is unlawful, the high court has ruled, as there is not enough evidence that there are sufficient policies in place to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The energy secretary, Claire Coutinho, will now be expected to draw up a revised plan within 12 months. This must ensure that the UK achieves its legally binding carbon budgets and its pledge to cut emissions by more than two-thirds by 2030, both of which the government is off track to meet.
 


TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
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The Workers Party of Britain (WPB) won its first two council seats in Rochdale, where George Galloway won a byelection in March, PA reports. Labour retained control of the council with 44 seats, after losing two to the WPB, with the Conservatives on nine, Lib Dems on three and two independents.
 






Sid and the Sharknados

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Sep 4, 2022
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Darlington
Nothing surprises me about the London electorate and the result may be quite close. I had more nuanced thoughts over the last few days.

I'm not predicting it, but a Conservative Mayor in readiness for a Labour Government is not beyond the realms of possibility.

Low turnout and the new voting system may not work well for Sadiq.

Who knows ? voting behaviour can be quite surprising up here.
I'm not sure the London electorate is any more random or unpredictable than anywhere else. In any case, the mayoral elections going back to 2008 have all been won by the candidate who was ahead in the polls.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,399
Uffern
Khan was 1/14 on, Hall was 10/1 at the last showing of odds on Skybet.

The bookies rarely get it that wrong.
I was thinking of having a cheeky tenner on Hall, as 10-1 are good odds in a two-horse raceSeeing the way that Labour is losing the Muslim vote, I wish I'd gone for it; it's really not out of the question (but would be terrible news for the opinion pollsters)
 








A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex




A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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Deepest, darkest Sussex
 


TomandJerry

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Oct 1, 2013
11,697
The Liberal Democrats have gained overall control of Tunbridge Wells as the Conservatives lost four seat, leaving them on seven and the Liberal Democrats with 22 of the 39 seats. Labour and independents have five each.

A Liberal Democrat source said “the disgusted of Tunbridge Wells have spoken.”
 


abc

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Jan 6, 2007
1,082
One interesting aspect of these results is how well other parties and independents have done. Disastrous for the Tories but a warning for Labour. This doesn’t feel like the run up to Blair’s first GE win when there was a national excitement about Labour. As many have alluded to on here, I can’t help but feel KS needs to start talking more about policy and ideas rather than continue to be simply the ‘we are not the tories’ party.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
One interesting aspect of these results is how well other parties and independents have done. Disastrous for the Tories but a warning for Labour. This doesn’t feel like the run up to Blair’s first GE win when there was a national excitement about Labour. As many have alluded to on here, I can’t help but feel KS needs to start talking more about policy and ideas rather than continue to be simply the ‘we are not the tories’ party.
I like other parties getting council places and in a general election, seats.
I‘m a believer in PR where one party doesn’t have all the power and politics is less extreme.
 




abc

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Jan 6, 2007
1,082
I like other parties getting council places and in a general election, seats.
I‘m a believer in PR where one party doesn’t have all the power and politics is less extreme.
Agree totally. PR will never happen because it’s not in the interest of the two main parties and the smaller parties will never get enough parliament seats to introduce it. Chicken and egg, catch 22 etc.
But, for me, it’s the only way of rebuilding our broken democracy - a system where every vote counts and the loonies can’t take over the asylum
 




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