kevo
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Macguire yesterday being the obvious example.
[Albion] Was it a red?
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Comfortable with it being a red - but now I've watched back a number if times, I can't help but note that their guy was a bit 'confused' as to which leg this 'dangerous' tackle had caught him. Which would imply that there wasn't actually much force behind it.
worthingseagull
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And now caicedo in the final - ridiculous refereeing
I obviously agree but Gilmore won the ball thetackled player was falling away and was raising his leg 6 of one half dozen of another
Yup, agree with everything you've said
Yesterday I was in agreement with it being a red but after seeing Maguire and now Caicedo’s challenges, I’m not that sure anymore. Gilmour was the least dangerous of all of them.
I wonder if either of these are worth anything as evidence to appeal?
I wonder if either of these are worth anything as evidence to appeal?
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Probably not - they'll just say 'it's subjective'.
BrightonCottager
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Ouch. That was a red, just as Harry Maguire's should have been yesterday, but he plays for ManUre.
Pete Skinner
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Yep I agree, not as bad as last week as he didn’t go in with the same force - but studs up, it’s dangerous and reckless
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Red but if we had lost then definitely not a red.
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It's a blue all day* for me.
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Milano
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At the time I thought red, just. Now after watching the other 2 very similar ‘tackles’ this weekend I haven’t a clue, what I do know is that the level of consistency in our ‘top’ refs is non-existent.
Just because other tackles weren't given red cards doesn't make this less of a red card. Sure, there's no intent or malice (but that's irrelevant), yes he got some of the ball first (also irrelevant), but his studs ended up planted half way up the opposition players calf. It's a red card all day long.
This explains the red perfectly, and my thoughts.
Nobby Cybergoat
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In football, the idea is that you have to kick the ball yeh?
And if you kick a ball, at some stage the mechanical action of your leg motion means that at some stage your foot will be over the height of another players foot yeh?
And in football, the idea is that another player might be challenging to kick the same ball, which means that if they get there just about second, there's a chance they might get kicked with the follow through yeh?
When did we become so sensitive to this?
I don't know what the guidance given to refs is. But as a viewer, I think the law should be ....
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball won. Player caught in follow through. No foul.
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball not won. Player caught in follow through. Foul. Yellow card.
Attempt to play ball. Player caught in follow through. Contact unnaturally high. Foul. Yellow card
Attempt to play ball. Excessive force used when playing the ball, with likely intention to intimidate or injure opponent. Foul. Red card.
And if you kick a ball, at some stage the mechanical action of your leg motion means that at some stage your foot will be over the height of another players foot yeh?
And in football, the idea is that another player might be challenging to kick the same ball, which means that if they get there just about second, there's a chance they might get kicked with the follow through yeh?
When did we become so sensitive to this?
I don't know what the guidance given to refs is. But as a viewer, I think the law should be ....
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball won. Player caught in follow through. No foul.
Normal attempt to play ball. Ball not won. Player caught in follow through. Foul. Yellow card.
Attempt to play ball. Player caught in follow through. Contact unnaturally high. Foul. Yellow card
Attempt to play ball. Excessive force used when playing the ball, with likely intention to intimidate or injure opponent. Foul. Red card.
Baldseagull
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The difference is the force. Gilmour pulls his foot away, but unfortunately not before making contact, I still think its a red card for Gilmour, but the one you show is a worse challenge, with far more force, and no attempt to pull out, not identical.
Uh_huh_him
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Agree, but that isn't the guidance.
Splitting hairs.
You're (obviously) never finding two separate incidents that are literally identical - but every single thing that myopic Albion fans have claimed of Billy's tackle, is true of that one. No clear intent / average force / both get a little of the ball / both catch the opponent's standing foot above the ankle. (And of course, the myopic Liverpool fans also claimed it was unfair).
Both very clear red cards.